Health and safety during COVID-19 with Kim Novak

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should be good to go now. Okay.

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Are you doing well? How about yourself? I’m well, thank you. It’s good. Things are good in Texas. And we might be past the hurricane season, God willing, and the creek don’t rise and football is not going to bed. You know. I wasn’t happy with that Florida score. But it was at least a better game than I thought it was going to be for my Aggies.

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So things were good. And, Robert, how are you?

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I’m doing good. Thank you. How about yourself?

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I’m doing all right. So and then, Luke, do we know? Oh, there’s Luke, Mike. And Luke. How are you?

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Yeah, well, how are you?

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I’m good. I don’t quite look right. Which chapter are you with?

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Got the epsilon rockers university? Yes. So things

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are good rockers right now.

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Yeah, they’re going well, we’re, we’re on campus. And Kobe cases are low. So don’t want

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is, you know, wow. That’s how we, I was when Phil, I was trying to let you know how I was doing without COVID case numbers. Because that’s kind of our rubric right now, isn’t it? Like, the COVID is around the rice. And it took me nine hours to vote early. On? Hey, I got to vote, which is a privilege, right? I’m fortunate. Yeah. So we’re gonna I think we’re gonna go ahead. Are we want to go ahead and start playing? Should we just jump in?

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Yeah, yes, a few minutes after the top of the hour. Thank you all for joining us. This evening, we have our Director of health and safety, Miss Kim Novak. And without further ado, cam, take us away.

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And so I want to go ahead and let Leo Leo, do you want to say Hey, are you still with us?

Leo Mercer 3:28
Good evening, everyone.

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I think it’s I’m sure the three of you know, because I know several of you have engaged in more than one of these that Leon Blaine have really put this series together for us. And we appreciate it. And we recognize that they’re pretty small conversations. So I really want to maybe take this a little different direction, please excuse my casual Wednesday evening attire. I am still cashing in the COVID. I have to get my office look on. I think playing I need to be focused on getting that office look back in. We I want you know, we always prepare for we don’t know what size of a group like let’s just have a conversation about health and safety and see where you are at. And let me let me start by saying Blaine, I don’t think we’re going to use the polls. And I think that our by men who are participating should feel free to speak with their mics or if you feel more comfortable throwing something in the chat, you can certainly do that. And this is being recorded. So what we talk about will be shared with some other folks. But we’re really going to focus on those of us that are here tonight while we have the conversation because that’s how these are designed. So I think I’d like to just know like, what was it about health and safety conversation that brought you to the room tonight?

Unknown Speaker 4:51
Yeah, so I’m the health and safety rockers. And I just wanted to come here and try to get some more ideas. But I can do to help improve the mental health, especially rockers. That’s something that I have been trying to focus on more, especially when the time is over. Since a lot of us can’t see each other physically,

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it’s really hard. So

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so we should spend a little bit of our time talking about mental health. I don’t know if you had a chance. Did you have a chance last week to pop in? Kyle? Okay, good. I don’t know, part of that. But I always like it when our consultants need some of those conversations. So I hope you found a little bit of help there. And, Phil, what what about talk to me about what brought you to the space tonight, what would be helpful for you?

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Well, I just really wanted to get the lay of the land, I’m serving as the chair of the alumni advisory board to help decide

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chapters reached out to you a couple times to get you engaged with with us on campus. But we’ve had some challenges in the past. And you know, we know you’ve been a highly regarded resource. And so I wanted to see firsthand with your firsthand why that is and how it may be helpful to us. As we refer you back to normal.

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I sent I sent some ideas to the first young man that contacted me, if you want me to forward those on to you, I can do that, as well, one I am tonight, if that’d be helpful about what a visit at Maryland might look like.

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The most surprising thing double back on those and the best for you something more akin to this type session, especially with appropriate circumstances where travel can be limited anyway. But their their hope was to be able to expand it and kind of serve as a sponsor, and exercise some leadership for the entire IFTTT area around

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I think the chapters are standing in circumstances as well as

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they might be a better legacy than they inherited.

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Yeah, no. And I think I know what other areas said like they wanted to talk about particular which we can talk a little bit about tonight to a sexual violence and how do we talk about that as for men, lead them conversation, what are some things they can do to to reinforce the messaging for their community, but I will send the most recent pitch that I sent to the undergraduate gentleman that I will turn to you when we’re finished up tonight inside of your email. And then Robin? How about you, Robert, we’ll run into the space tonight.

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I’m just I’ve been seeing a lot of these. No, excuse me a

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smaller school. So it’s a lot easier for us to keep a handle on COVID. Most of our classes are still in person. So I want to see if I can contribute to the discussion in any way.

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Yeah, well, we’re glad that you joined us. And we’re actually doing a pitch and expansion pitch to and I know Florida is a big state like Texas, to Florida International University.

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Here in the coming weeks, I just thought

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sometimes I help with the expansion pitches. And so we’re going to be doing a pitch there. So hopefully, we’ll get another chapter grown in the great state of Florida. And we can Florida tech men to help us out with that. I think that’d be awesome. Well, in plain and Leo, do you want to give any insight as to the role you play with health and safety before we jump in? And then we’ll kind of go organically through the slides and not with the bog us down?

Unknown Speaker 8:56
Yeah, I know that all of the consultants have training from cam on best practice for health and safety. And in a normal year, we will present the fH si presentation. I’m not sure what that looks like. For the spring semester. I know for the fall, we’ve just kind of put that on pause as of now. But yeah, that’s typically what our role plays in just just a general resource and then provide everybody and all of our constituents with the with the best practices as far as health and safety goes.

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And then your map meetings and your meetings that you’ve been having, with chapters in your portfolio. Are there any themes from health and safety? Like? Like Luke is just looking for more ideas specifically with mental health but just to broaden their health and safety initiative and it and I know that our met at Florida tech about a smaller chapter, but how can what can health and safety look like there? And then with Phil’s just continued interest and support and I said bye Roll. What are some of the themes that you’re hearing? They blame in your meetings with man?

Unknown Speaker 10:06
Yeah, so the bay thing is transitioning from health and safety at social events to just the general health and safety of our members during a worldwide pandemic. And then also focusing on the mental health aspect of that because being in car, being a college student is already stressful. And then you throw arguably one of the most stressful events that one could have, you know, a worldwide pandemic, in the middle of all that, just reiterate that it’s okay to not be okay. And just providing all the resources that international attorney provides, as well as the local university on mental health.

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Nice. We are there anything in particular that you think we should make sure we think about or that you’re running into issues support your portfolio, the spa?

Leo Mercer 10:55
Absolutely can so one of the fundamental kind of concepts that I’ve seen run across in my map visits has been the resources available for mental health. The fraternity is really provided it’s provided its members, a robust offering. And some of my members, some of my constituents haven’t been able to find those resources. So making sure that they know where to find those and what exactly we offer. And then, again, broadening the scope and health and safety. I think generally, making sure that the chapter has been aware of CDC guidelines, as well as, as well as sometimes more stringent state regulations, in terms of social gatherings has been a key theme in health and safety this semester.

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Dice Yes, I think that

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excessive, we could have the best resources in the country. But if they’re not as successful as they need to be, we ran up against a challenge. So I appreciate that, and continuing to stay on top of the pandemic. And this slide that’s kind of been sitting here is really just a reminder about that theme. I think that Blaine, you and Leo, were speaking to, which is one of the things that really set us apart seven years ago was when PIKE stepped into this place where they said, risk awareness had a place in our development and our operations for a period of time. But we’ve shifted as a fraternity and as an industry, and as a society, culturally, to recognize that we needed to have more than an awareness position is we really needed to shift our focus away from just that leading dialogue around liability and policy, that kind of fear driven, we do we manage our risk once we get sued. We manage our risk lest we get in trouble. And really trying to shift it to that place will be recognized. But a good health and safety initiative is really about creating chapter environments where men learn how to do the right thing. And what that looks like, and what that what that looks like, in this broad do the right thing kind of ambiguous, but what is doing the right thing look like as a member of a community that meant a member of a larger like polity, or a member of a campus community. And so fraternity man in a fraternity and sorority community that has diversity of representation and the types of organizations and council leadership and operations. And then what does that look like? How do our chapters, what does that look like for chapters collectively? And then ultimately, our core objective as we work to development is to help them learn how to do the right thing as an objective alpha. And I think that that’s, that’s a really key part as you ponder or think about the health and safety work that you’re doing in your chapter. And now I think we can also help lead on campuses to get men to stop thinking about health and safety. So we’re monitors and social event management and party control, and really getting them which we’ve been very fortunate to prevent and think along the lines like Luke, how you’re thinking about when you think health, I’d say do you think mental health. When are when your brothers and Maryland when they were thinking about health and safety, one of the drivers for them was they want it to be they want to be a leader in the conversation around sexual harassment, relationship violence and sexual violence. And, and not in helping people understand why those things don’t have a place in the maternal community, but just in general, in society, and let’s fix kind of stayed the same for health and safety as they do risk management, but they just try to encompass them in a broader way. So we really try to shift past this policy. And where that really why we focus on that is that we recognize that under the model of self governance, it’s really the chapter or and learning this new concept. we’re shifting to the The concept of provisional chapters. And when we talk about colonies, it’s a, an updated language of the industry. And so I’m practicing using that instead of colony. But our chapters in our provisional chapters are really where the decisions are made. And we want that our focus is that, yes, the rules, the standards of the fraternity have a place. But equally, the principles and values of the fraternity have a place and I think that’s where, I don’t know. And then I may just throw some questions. But if you don’t have an answer, that’s okay. Or if it takes you a minute to unlife. But like a proper Florida tech, do you guys have like a pillar, or a metric or a rubric of Greek excellence that you’re suited for towards?

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Not necessarily I say there’s like a certain standards were held to which the Student Life Office feels as above, right, a higher standard than the rest of campus. I think that’s probably pretty universal. But you know, being in a small school, it’s really easy for them to crack down on that. They know pretty much everything that goes on.

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So if anyone starts on a line, it’s magnified

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right away.

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This standard they

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only see is

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about at at rockler schools, they’re like a pillars or standards of excellence that the office or the ISC council measures your chapter based on

Unknown Speaker 16:39
I’m honestly not quite sure about that. As a Jesuit, college, or university, so I’m sure no standards are used to measure our chapter.

Unknown Speaker 16:56
Right now, just as a sidebar is that years ago, I did some work with St. Louis University, Jesuit college, and I’ve worked with other colleges. And the principles, the way that pipe really approaches the fundamental do the right thing, or the true pipe commitment that speaks about caring for others, as you care for yourself, is very much aligned. And it fits very nicely with the Jesuit principles of some, but some institutions, and there’s a myriad of different graduate principle. There’s broad principles of the nurse focus,

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faith journeys, different

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fractions, but different subsets of the Jesuit journey that that some institutions use. But this, this focus really fits well. With that that’s part of health and safety is figuring out what are those does our quality have a set of standards, sometimes they’re called standards of excellence, sometimes they’re called the pillars of performance. Sometimes it’s a mission vision statement. And, and part of a really good health and safety initiative is aware of bans, as they are

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the principles and values of PIKE,

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which are defined in so many different places, right. So I think if we think about the construct of the preamble to the Constitution, the founding vision, the true pipe commitment. I don’t know that that the pipe creed is actually really only think about that animals, we use the creek very well. I know it exists, but I’m not sure how often we kind of dust it off and reflect on its meaning that was your experience with that with the

Leo Mercer 18:35
Cree, I would have to agree with you there. I think that our new members are very well introduced to it and their new member education. However, that dramatically drops off after that once they once we get into the thick of it.

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True commitment. And so let me use the CRI. And I respected so much as honesty and then I asked why it had to be memorized because we can find it in like 20 places isn’t isn’t as important to memorize it as it is to know it and understand it recall it means but part of this do the right thing and the self governance model is about safety is really the provisional chapter being keenly aware of what are those acceptable code standards for behavior, not just from the fraternity, not just from their chapter but from their community. And I think I feel like my experience with now I haven’t had direct experience with the office and a couple years at Maryland. But my previous experiences they had a set of med rubric that they used to evaluate chapters by is that your experience as an advisor Have you ever seen a

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job your expectations are monitored closely as a total of 14 six are mandatory and you then add you can choose i think is remaining Get to do five or six. Yeah, from some number, but as a service philanthropy, you know,

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affect our men currently are participating in what was called the 10 men sessions, which is really about health and safety, but particularly around the respect for, for women and how to conduct yourself and so forth. And our guides are also I think, really gravitated to reinforce what it means to be a gentleman.

Unknown Speaker 20:42
Yes, yeah. which I think are all it’s like, whatever. It’s what speaks to the man. So swag is what speaking right to a particular chat. And that is part of fight. If if it’s the preamble, when I think about PIKE, it’s the preamble to the Constitution. And I won’t bore you with my over sentimental feelings on that with our limited time tonight. But I know Leo and Blaine can attest to the fact that I have a pretty sentimental belief about the preamble and the power of it. But you know, it’s the truth. It may be it is the true pipe commitment, what or whatever those things are, are really the guiding are part of this whole thing of self governance when it shows up not just with health and safety, but also with health and safety. And when we think about health and safety in a broader context, we can think about an end if you need the word risk, it’s the risk of not being perceived as the gentleman you want to be. Right, it’s the reputational risk, it’s it’s not just the physical risks of hazing and alcohol and other drugs and violence. There are physical risks, there’s reputational risks, there can be financial risks, the emotional mental health risks that we face or the facilities for our chapters that our house, we used to call that the prep model. Penn State has really kind of adopted that as part of their health and safety initiative. And so that’s, that’s a key part of it. And then it’s really getting down to the place where we know that when it comes to health and safety, if the if you can just focus on everything we’re doing is really to help men make a better choice and to guide the decisions they’re making. And to guide them to make decisions as a man of Pi Kappa Alpha. And because a man that being a gentleman a Pi Kappa Alpha, well, when I just throw that out plain, what does that mean to you? Like if someone said, What do you mean, gentlemen, a Pi Kappa Alpha, what would that mean to you?

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Really just upholding the the values of the organization truly embodying what it means to be a true pike at that and exemplifying what it means to be a scholar, leader, athlete and gentlemen, you know, the whole mind there.

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And when you think about that, it’s all encompassing, it’s not just how you show up as a pike, it’s how you show up as a man who is a pike for the rest of your life. And so it encompasses those decisions that are made in a more global sense, I think, as well and, and what we really base our model on for that, which is a really good foundation, when we think about health and safety is, at the end of the day. I we really believe this that our chapters are provisional chapters, the students that lead them, the staff that advise them, the volunteers that support them, really, we only have three things we can really do. At the end of the day, right? And I think about this, I’ve often used this with pre gaming when talking to other leaders. And when they talk about, oh, we could just stop the pre gaming camp. Like our events would be so much better if people weren’t already halfway gone before they showed up. And we had to stay at the door and try to figure out how drunk they were. Are they true drunk? And then we get these really crazy like, well, maybe we’ll buy breathalyzers and shall we lock their car keys up and it gets really goes down this rabbit hole, right? And in all of that is admirable. But when we really think about even that kind of a behavior, like pre gaming, what we can do is really set expectations. Right? And we do that as a fraternity with the standards. The fraternity standards are one place the rules the pipe. Chapters can do that with the rules, yes, the rules of the fraternity, the standards of the fraternity, but they can also do that in the governance of brotherhood. Right? Because I had a colleague who’s an attorney for a university for a long time, Steven Boggs, and C was a beta by affiliation. And I remember a conversation we were having about campus codes of conduct and how some are really simple and some are really way too complex. And he said, wouldn’t it be lovely if we didn’t have have goals and they just said, do the right thing. We started that conversation a decade ago, when I was doing risk management work and he was doing risk management work. And we’ve continued to have it and the reality is, is that, you know, we can but to do that we have to articulate what is the right thing. And not every right thing comes from a rule. So like, I think like Luke, when you think about mental Pell, what’s your What is your expectation of your groaners around my issues? The topic of mental health, what do you expect?

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I expect them to try and have like an honest and open conversation. That’s not something that’s something that’s pretty hard with college man. But I try to hold them by a standard just be there to listen to their brother instead of the young you know, you don’t always have to get

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a guy’s produce.

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Have someone to talk to, I guess.

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Yes, your expectations. space, right. There’s this environment in your chapter where men will feel empowered to speak out or to seek support from their brothers, where brothers will provide that support that unconditional love that comes with brotherhood that no one perhaps not. If you’re not affiliated, that’s that thing I think, is hard to explain. And I think it shows up different not differently, but it’s informed differently in different groups have a Delta Gamma by affiliation. And we have a section of our ritual which I would never share with you, but it really solidifies the commitment and obligation that we’re making into each other as sisters. And even when in conflict, I know in my later years you’ve been in conflict with a sister I find myself reflecting back on my ritual in the language of that promise I made to every woman who’s adopted gamma ray. And I think what you’re when we talk about that Mental Health our expectation doesn’t come from a ruler and policy are expected really comes from who we are and who you are as Brothers in the fraternity and your egg expectation that you’ll provide support, you’ll create a space where men will seek help and guidance and then that kind of leads us into that. Second thing, we can Which is interventions and This isn’t really this is a language of public health. And it’s not that intervention like substance abuse intervention or mental health. intervention that’s a different strategy. This is really creating systems and protocols for chapter operations. That make it likely The expectations we set can be met.

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Really quick illustration.

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Our expectation around the creaking is, well there’s probably a lot of standards paternity standards that would cover that probably we can talk about underneath Drinking. We can talk about this have alcohol today. To reach people, we must Talk about the standard that says no greater than 15% of people are pre gaming with hard liquor. We could probably attach that to the standards and a lot of days. But have you ever heard of a rule that says nothing? Video Usually, unless it’s written into Your bylaws For your chapter Which I don’t Don’t blame me to coach man. We don’t really Have a rule that says no creepy But we have an expectation read read Have that expectation Communicating And the intervention for that. It is We create systems that make it How to create or we create event plans for our events so that it would be people are less likely to show up having an too much to drink or have you drink before they don’t they’re, if they’re if it’s a dry event And when you think about that, like with mental health, it’s thinking about what is a tracker or provisional tracker. Done To make it more likely that men will support each other and our mental health Like I don’t know if anybody has an idea for that, like something they need that you’ve experienced in the chapter you’re part of or chapter you’ve worked with about the X Factor. Is that to be able to have honest and truthful, open conversations, which requires an environment that allows for that. However, something’s chapters

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I’ve got one quick thing.

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I’m Luke, I’m not sure if you’ve heard of the boat Ember movement, but pretty much the entire point is is supposed to be about supporting men’s mental health and raising money to help men get help with mental health. raise money. for colon cancer research but which was Around Us men’s mental health and talking about it and being able to start That conversation It’s a really big move. In your canvas We’re heavily involved in it on the move to like me and one other member of ours. Younger helping right in order to get this word Do the zoom talks with the school you know talking about how to start that grow in mental health, you know resources that people can use while on campus off campus. Back home, doing online classes on resources that they can use and it really helps us to start the conversation again, you By last year you know I had three or four people on once we started this, come up to me and be like, Hey, can we just sit and listen but doing that He didn’t evolve in that movement is a really good way to be able to start the conversation

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like that. I’ve actually heard that before. But I didn’t know it was surrounded, surrounded by mental health. So that’ll be something I’ll try to bring into my chapter.

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Yeah, it was brought mustaches and that’s something that people

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unsalted gravy, the conversation started Too Yeah, that’s

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awesome. I grew up my shot. And do

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you know what’s really exciting about that? Is, Movember has is, we have a partnership with them. And it’s not a pipe philanthropy pipe really does philanthropy and service more from a social justice local perspective, we empower our tractors to find that. But we push every time November has a new initiative, push that out. And so there is I made a note, Luke to send to you the most recent marketing we did to that. I know it went in the pipeline pipeline, a pipeline, which goes to the executive board, and then it’s followed up in the pipeline newsletter, which goes out once a month that went to the general membership. Well, we were actually just talking before you all hopped on that. We don’t know how many people read the pipeline. But I’ll send you a link to some information about November. And if you want to, if you have, you should not have a difficult time connecting with anybody. But if you do, we have one particular guy that we work with. I will connect him with that. But that’s a perfect example because but like one of the things I really appreciated Robert about November is to put out recently, some more mini videos like YouTube videos where men are talking about mental health. And they’re they talk about it from different perspectives. There’s a really empowering series around suicide, where men read excerpts from suicide letters. And then they share that they wrote that letter. But the reason they didn’t act upon it was they realized they could reach out to somebody. And then there are also they do messaging around how to talk to another man about mental health, but they do some really great work. And what what does that do? Well, if you share that with your chapter, or you engage your chapter in the Movember initiatives, around Men’s Health, they really started their first initiative as around testicular cancer or cancer. And then they’ve incorporated into that is, as Robert mentioned, colon cancer. And now they’re but they’ve really the whole time, this group of men from Australia have been very invested in men’s mental health, if you share that the messenger giving is you’re reducing the stigma around mental health conversations. That’s what we mean when we talk about designing interventions is, what are those things we’re doing to make it easier for our brothers and our members to meet the expectation. And then the third thing we really have the capacity to do is managing accountability. And and that’s a key part of our health and safety initiatives as well, but it permeates the fraternity it’s not just traditional health and safety topics. This is about the capacity to hold your brothers accountable at the peer level. And actively support and engage however you can, the ability of your IFC council to hold your chapters accountable before it ever comes becomes a university or headquarters issue. And so what that would look like with pre gaming is we set the expectation, no pre gaming, we have an intervention strategy and health and safety, which is pragmatically the way we monitor people coming in the door. The gatherings that we put on before the social event starts that will limit people’s access to alcohol before the party starts. It’s one of the reasons that our analytic partners require that women take buses, because they’re national organizations. But what if we have them on a bus they can drink? Well, we all kind of found out that didn’t quite work out because there’s an awful lot of drinking that can happen on the bus, but they put some things in place to minimize. And then when people still don’t rise to the challenge, we hold them accountable. And that’s really the foundation of health and safety. And so accountability

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doesn’t necessarily mean

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harsh punitive

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So like, for example, if we have this expectation, that we create a space where men can speak openly and comfortably about mental health, and then someone acts counter to that. Let’s say they make fun of somebody for sharing for the make. They take an educational that you’re doing around mental health and make it into a job. You know, even if it’s because they’re personally uncomfortable. What you know, it’s knowing how to confront that and hold that brother accountable. Because it helps him to understand that when you laugh about it, or you make comments about people being schizophrenia or bipolar in a sarcastic way that you really make it hard for people to be open and honest about what they’re feeling. Does that make sense events Kind of the foundation

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for that for mental health.

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Okay, you kind of bump out.

Unknown Speaker 36:28
The other thing I think can be helpful is when we think about mental health support, we really we think about it in a broad sense. And if we think about decision making the whole initiative of mental health that at PIKE headquarters is supposed to be here to support the staff, the volunteers and the undergraduates. And your consultant Robert is as trained as my entire team at my consulting firm is in agriculture chapter with health and safety concerns through a variety of

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sexual violence, relationship violence, pharmaceutical

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hazing, mental health concerns, concerns around sexual violence rape in and we do that because we recognize that we have a service we need to provide and we have to be able to support so there’s that but our insurance company is kind of an unknown resource, and I don’t know Philip, could you guys knew any of this stuff from James are in favor for the coding environment that they put out to support chapters during coding. Are you even aware of the resources from our insurance provider

Unknown Speaker 37:48
No I’m not I’m not aware and I don’t know whether or not it

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was a question.

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Yeah. You And I just want to give some ideas so that folks Though that health and safety isn’t just Like a static thing that there’s so we have a A lot of different resources that we offer. And so let me ask I think I need to do a new share. To get this to pop up

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so you should Are you seeing about website because there’s no doubt.

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Yes, sir.

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One of the things our insurance company did, because COVID is such a hot health and safety concern right now, in the best we could do, honestly from hype was to say, what what, what our insurance providers, say in the experts was, follow the guidelines from the CDC, follow the guidelines from the CDC, comply with your rules that they want. So I said it twice, comply with the standards or the expectations or limitations put in place municipally, or from a municipal ordinance or from your campus. And as a fraternity, we didn’t write any new policy around coding. We work with house corporations that are self governing, we worked with trackers for health. But our insurance provider invested in taking that one step farther. And this is on our Pike Place website as well, which is where the webinars are advertised. And they put together guides or resource guides for both house and unhoused chapters called breaking the chain. And in it to health and safety guidance behind this is not just how to have been prepared for the pandemic, if you didn’t have a house or had a house, because it really covers everything from cleaning, to sterilizing, setting that meal service, but then it goes deeper. And it’s all digitized. So it’s really easy to search and they those deeper into conversations about like what do you do if somebody tests positive? Or what do you do for for infection response? What are some things you should think about if you’re going to have a group back to me even beyond just the rules of the college or the university? And what should you be doing to self care? What is the really what is truly an incubation period? And then things to think about? From a PP perspective. So it’s 57 pages of professionally developed resourcing guide that our insurance company put together and we’re fortunate that James, our favorite company, they, they share. And actually, this one’s been no business and not house. So it’s only minus 50 some pages for the house. But I love that there’s one for non housing factors. But one of the things that I find really intriguing is that our insurance company doesn’t tell us how to do our work. They are certainly not. But entity that says, Here’s how to throw a party with alcohol. Here’s what a chapter events look like. They really come to the table when they recognize that their level of expertise of protection and safety should be at the table. And we’re very fortunate with that. So another resource that is often overlooked is our insurance provider. And we actually link to them off of our off the pie website. But I’m going to turn it on, I think we’re going to be an iteration number five. Since I’ve been at the fraternity, we recognize we need to make our website more searchable, and easier to access. But every consult and every staff knows where to find the resources. We also think people should work with campus services to get help with health and safety. And we think chapter level of education is important. So Robert, if you’re like thinking about, like November, that’s a great program that you’re part of on your campus, but you brought it to the men in your chapter. Right and and this is where having a chapter conversation about alcohol. an expectation around alcohol is healthier oftentimes than an outside voice, educational. So one of the things that we’ve worked on is capacity building, and creating guidance, where those conversations can happen amongst the peer group where an alumni advisory board member can come in and lead a conversation or a chapter health and safety guy can lead a conversation or a chapter, a guide who helps with programming can lead it a man who helps with programming can lead it because we know that the more capacity we increase around chapter functions and chapter knowledge around health and safety, the better off we’re going to be.

Unknown Speaker 43:01
And so that’s a big, major area, if that were true PIKE experience as part of that, but also, you’ll see in that health and safety resources, that’s a big piece of it. And then our officer training and development. Even though we don’t bring our health and safety Chairman to the CDC, we have a nice curriculum. Health and Safety that we integrate into the President’s track. And we also talk about it at all piping events, which are, I think, important. And then every chapter has their own internal processes that they should be evaluating. That’s kind of like the decision making toolbox framework that we look for at the chapter level. Are there questions about that? or thoughts from Lane? We’ll kill Robert, anybody have a thought on that or a question about it?

Unknown Speaker 43:57
No, I don’t want to just keep talking, I

Unknown Speaker 44:02
just wanted to keep explaining how safe it is. For COVID-19. To sit in College Park, and the campus have some pretty strict compliance requirements that the guys are having to maintain. And we deal with data sell a lot. We’ve had 1010 instances of COVID.

Unknown Speaker 44:34
We don’t have a house was just

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kind of congregate in certain rented locations as

Unknown Speaker 44:46
well. And I think part of most of the planning that we did really list for house crafters when we first started talking about it, Phil, and I think that that’s why I was so appreciated that favor said, What temp guidance for the help of groups that aren’t House Cleaners go down. And we recognize that the restrictions placed municipally. And from the campus, maybe you’re aligned.

Unknown Speaker 45:12
Maybe College Park is aligned.

Unknown Speaker 45:15
oftentimes they’re not. I know that in New Mexico, it just shifted back to no more than five people can gather in the state. That’s that’s a state directive. They have a government as a state mandate down. In Texas for county by county, we have a little bit of state but mostly County. And it’s different in every county. And so therefore, it’s different for the majority of our politics. And then we have Tennessee Knoxville, which has municipal ordinance that has a number but for a long time, the Minister ordinance a 50. And their ordinance said 10, the campus rules said 10, they just change that after some pressure. But I do I think that’s part of it is to consistency. And that’s you know, it’s so funny because when we talk about health and safety from the fraternity level, we know that if we follow these kind of framework steps of make the expectation clear.

Unknown Speaker 46:12
If we want our chapters on a campus

Unknown Speaker 46:17
to be safe, during a pandemic, in the environment, we’ve set up on the campus where the let’s make what they can and can’t do very clean. And let’s not just make what they can’t do. Let’s make sure because they’re really great minds and social change and public health say you can kind of talk about what you can do and not just about what you can’t do. And we really try to guide our chapters in yours when you’re talking about thinking about health and safety to function from that same approach. And to them after we’ve made things clear, then let’s come up with mate ways to make the desired behavior easy. And so Robert, you You said you guys are pretty small school. I know you’re in Florida. So you have a little different state legislation. I think your governor right now is trying to he’s still entertaining the Bill of Rights

Unknown Speaker 47:18
for students. I don’t

Unknown Speaker 47:20
know if that’s still in play or not. But he was talking I’m pretty sure it is. He was talking about writing a bill of rights for students, which I actually applauded. Because it was really to say you can’t just kick kids out of school, you need to have a different approach the things that are there. What is your school doing, Robert to make it easy for you all to be safe during covid 19.

Unknown Speaker 47:44
Um, they have a testing at the health center, they’ve cut all of the classroom sizes to a third capacity. Um, if you want to hold any kind of an event, it needs to go through an approval committee. And they’ve I’ve actually hired someone as like the COVID. Director. While this is going on. They have a 10 person committee that approves any events that you want to happen. And all those events can only include people from campus all like us or Welcome on campus right now, in sanitizing stations up, all the dining areas are at half capacity.

Unknown Speaker 48:31
Mass are mandatory everywhere on campus.

Unknown Speaker 48:37
I think that’s about the standard. So they

Unknown Speaker 48:39
put all of that in place. Are they making basket available on campus? Can you pick us? You forgot yours? Right? And then they, they make it easy to socially books plans by spreading out the dining hall, right? So seeing it on top of each other? And what are they doing to manage this. So you have this committee, and you make a pitch for an idea for an event, did they tell you about how to make it compliant.

Unknown Speaker 49:04
So they have a set of rules

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that every event would have to follow. So you kind of write like a like a pitch to them, and say, here’s how we’re going to do it, here’s how we’re making it COVID safe. You know, we’ll be enforcing social distancing, this will be the maximum number of people at the event. And if it gets approved on they said, one person from the Committee to the event just to ensure you’re doing everything by the book, and if it gets denied, they’ll call you in for a meeting and say, Hey, you can do to get it approved, and then it’ll go to another hearing and get approved.

Unknown Speaker 49:39
So I will tell you, part of that is as cumbersome as that sounds, the fact that they’re coming back and saying, Hey, this is the vent never gonna happen. Or, you know, if you do this, and this you can, that’s all, making it easier for you all to maintain the social restrictions they have in place. It’s really hard not to gather in larger groups with your brothers and your friends. It’s not just a fraternity thing. athletes are struggling, non athletes are struggling, new students are struggling. And so if you think about what you’re experiencing right now, and if they’re not experiencing it, how much better it would be, if you make the expectation around the pandemic clear, but then you make it easy to live within those expectations as easy as you can. And you are nice people who are trying to do it well, by letting them have events or by coaching them through to get because you can tell they’re really making an honest effort. And you know, you make it harder not to do the wrong thing. So we don’t allow more than 50% in the dining hall or you. We are limiting activities on campus to a certain place at State College in Pennsylvania. One of their strategies around make it harder was they engaged in this whole ordinance that isn’t just Greek specific, it’s for the whole community. And it’s enforced at a level with the kid with the police from the town to say, residents so that more than 10 people can’t have guests over. And if they do, they can get a municipal fine, or they may face college disciplinary action. So we’re gonna raise the cost of not doing the right thing. It’s the same with generalized health and safety outside of a pandemic, you know, if what we want is for people to drink responsibly, we make it easier by not providing hard alcohol, water, but we make it we raise the cost of undesired behavior at the fraternity. By instituting a risk management fee. If you have chronic and consistent risk management violations, you can face a fine of up to $5,000 we are keenly aware that that would bankrupt some chapters so have major impact other chapters could just read the check it we really don’t know that that will change behavior, but we do know it raises the cost of undesired behavior, just like finding an attractor. So as a health and safety, I think it’s thinking through the steps.

Unknown Speaker 52:15
Another thing that the head of Greek life is doing for all of the chapters to on because we’ve all been so you know, compliant with campus policies and have been helping out in any way we can. Um, they actually ordered letters, letters, shirts for every chapter and distribute them to every member, um, just kind of like a thank you. And I think that went a really long way to just kind of keep people on board with, you know, pushing through the end of this and staying safe and keeping everyone on campus safe.

Unknown Speaker 52:45
Exactly. And what that also does is it rewards good behavior, it’s their way of saying to you, hey, um, no, this No, that we see that you are doing as good as you can. And this is difficult, and we want to honor that. Not just have accountability, but we want to acknowledge that good behavior, and give you a little recognition by offering up a shirt. You know, I think that’s a great thing. I think it’s a It’s a great example. And it’s interesting. Next week I’m I’m speaking at a law conference and I might actually

Unknown Speaker 53:33
use your

Unknown Speaker 53:35
use your example, from your college because not everybody is doing that not everybody is really, really focusing on this pandemic from a health and safety model, not just punitive. In so I think that’s, it’s a really good way as chapter advisors, talk to leaders, as you think about what should we be doing around health and safety? It’s, it’s really important to think around the concept of how are we making it? How are we making our expectations clear about what we expect of each other right now, whether it’s mental health or academics, or taking good care of a property or following the rules that the college has put in place, so the whole chapter doesn’t get in trouble. Or can go about showing up for chapter meaning even if it’s virtual or not hazy new members, or being part of recruitment, all the operations, it’s not just the risk issues, this really this model fits so well, what do you expect of me as a member of PIKE, and then let’s work to create systems to make it easy for that to happen, and make it hard for it not to happen. And when our men do the right thing, let’s recognize it. And you can kind of use your campuses pandemic approach. And I’ll tell you, some of your peers have sat down and have conversations with their colleagues, their fraternity Sorority Life advisors, their vice presidents Student Affairs, and said, Hey, I think if we made it clear what we can and can’t do, and spent them a little more time on creating an environment where people have something to do, we’re gonna, we’re gonna kick this pandemic a little easier. Because right, many of the many people are just experiencing that we gave you the rules. And we told you, if you don’t follow them, this is what’s gonna happen. That’s a decade old approach to student health and safety. decade old, and we’ve kind of fallen back into it. Because we’re in a pandemic, and health and safety calls for more. I think that’s like a good foundation for just a couple folks being in the space. And I don’t, I know Luke had to step out, but I’m going to send him some, the the link to where we marketed the Movember and then fill out, send, I’ll send you the direct link to that, or the place where you can find it on the PIKE website, the insurance manual, you might find it interesting for your board to just have access to, in case anything pops up. And also the pitch, the last pitch I sent to the chapter she can get to, that’s a whole separate thing, get a sense of what that looks like. Um, we do have a new option to another opportunity around mental health, but it’s happening on October 20, at seven o’clock. And this an email went to every chapter president and every chapters health and safety officer yesterday afternoon at three o’clock central that marketed this, and we’ll do some more pushing out around it. But if you want to grab a quick screenshot of this, or if Blaine, you want to put the link for the or cut and paste the message of the date and the time in the zoom link into the chat that would be helpful. I’m very excited to Jed Foundation, who was one of our strongest partners put together a new curriculum specifically for PIKE. That’s called you can help and it was designed to help

Unknown Speaker 57:03

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undergraduates and those that support them advisors recognize when they themselves might need help, or when a brother or a friend might be struggling, and what to do if you find yourself in that situation. And via zoonotic who is their Community Engagement Manager, who’s an amazing professional from the Fraternity and Sorority Life industry, one of my favorite people is going to moderate that for us. So I just wanted to put that up there until a longer session. And we’re hoping to get a good attendance, attendance and it will not be recorded. Rather, the curriculum and the facilitator guide will be posted on our website. So that’s kind of my pick for the night on questions. Something we didn’t talk about that you want to ask a question about.

Unknown Speaker 57:58
Anything? Are we good?

Unknown Speaker 58:00
Thank you, him.

Unknown Speaker 58:01
Yeah. Robert, thanks so much for hopping on. I hope I see you at a summit maybe probably in the spring for Atlanta.

Unknown Speaker 58:08
Oh, I’m graduating in December, unfortunately.

Unknown Speaker 58:11
Oh my goodness gracious. And what are you going to go on and do with your life?

Unknown Speaker 58:15
grad school. I’m starting to apply right now. I’m hoping to get into Berkeley’s Chemistry and business math business masters program.

Unknown Speaker 58:25
We’ll see

Unknown Speaker 58:26
nice while you have some good brothers out there Berkeley, so if you need help relocating or and they often have Apartments for Rent their house.

Unknown Speaker 58:34
Really? Okay, I’ll look into that for sure it

Unknown Speaker 58:36
is crazy expensive but so just know that very well thanks for popping in and for bringing it up November and for what you’ve done for your chapter. And Phil, is there anything else that we can offer for you as you in our pre other than our appreciation for you being an advisor?

Unknown Speaker 58:53
Our goodness is a was helpful and I look forward to the links from the other material. There will continue to dialogue to see find a way to get to engage.

Unknown Speaker 59:05
Marilyn Great,

Unknown Speaker 59:06
thanks so much. I appreciate you both joining and Leo and Blaine. You know I love you. And I appreciate you putting these opportunities together and let’s stay safe that step and vote.

Leo Mercer 59:18
Absolutely, gentlemen. Thank you, Kim. Thank you, gentlemen for joining us this evening. The webinar will be available in one hour on Pike Place as well as included in a transcript and all the links that Kim mentioned here this evening. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to use the chat box at the bottom of Pike Place. Otherwise reaching out to your respective chapter consultant. Thank you again everyone. Have a great evening. Stay safe.

Unknown Speaker 59:38
Thank you